Ulysses
General => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Megiddo on September 19, 2008, 02:36:40 AM
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First there's Admin Max (http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=611710), which is based off ULX.
Next is NewAdmin (http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=612736), which claims to be an ULX with a better gui. (Does anyone really care about or even use the gui? I always feel like the gui holds me back from what I want to do)
Next is XDL (http://sourceforge.net/projects/gmod-xdl/). The maintainer for this project hates ULX for various reasons, mainly coming down to the fact that we try to do things as simply as possible. But shhh... we're not supposed to know this one's still active. XDL was created when GM10 released and has never had a public, stable release.
Next is Simple Admin (http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=601603), which imho can't claim the title 'simple' while it has an embedded prop protector.
These are all new, or in the case of XDL, recently started up again. Guess it's just that time of the year? :P
On a more serious note though, I strongly hope that one of these projects overtakes ULX simply because that means I can finally devote all my time to more productive things. On the other hand, if none of them cut it, let me know if there's something from one of the afore-mentioned projects that you think would benefit ULX.
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Next is NewAdmin, which claims to be an ULX with a better gui. (Does anyone really care about or even use the gui? I always feel like the gui holds me back from what I want to do)
-I agree with you about the holding back part, but as a gui it is very nice, as JamminR mentioned in a previous post gui's are good for those who portray themselves here as illiterate. The PHD style is nice :D
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I'd not noticed, but must be the time of year. Even I myself have considered making a small 'adminban' function that limits maximum ban time, and working on Umotd again.
I've not pushed myself to either one yet, but, it's the closest I've come since I placed my old house on the market, offered/bought this one, packed, moved, yadda yadda.
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Add MOOCOW (http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=721711) to the list, which apparently wants to euthanize all other mods. It's made by one of our forum users here, so I'll give some constructive criticism:
1. Change the name. Don't know about the others, but MOOCOW was something some of my friends loved to say back in elementary. While it's a perfectly good name in it's own right, people can't help but make associations.
2. Your mod advertisement comes off as "I'm smarter than you all" (IE: "I can do this by having the knowledge of gmod's hooks that other admin mod designers don't."). You won't win users away from any other mods with that attitude.
3. If you want to maintain professionalism, please get your facts straight about other mods.
4. Add some color to your ui. The best ui's come just short of fun to use. :) (That is, assuming you're aiming at the ui's like I think you are?)
5. If you don't have it already, make the console commands autocomplete. I can't believe no one really uses this...
Otherwise, good luck on the project!
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I too find it interesting that many 'new' admin mods seem to miss key facts that ULX is capable of, either by itself or with modules, when giving a huge list of features 'ULX' doesn't have.
Also, EVERY time I see the word "ULX" used in a release specifically as 'Mod A is better than ULX because 1.2.3....", I think of this commercial.
http://www.youtube.com/v/oOF2jOrz-q8&hl=en&fs=1
This commercial came out after 3 other automobile manufacturers mentioned "blah more/better/less/greater than the Accord"
(3 commercials that I've seen... may have been more)
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Cool, now I'll think of that commercial every time now, too. :P
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I laughed until I cried when I saw that commercial for the first time on TV. My wife had some marketing when in college, and happened to be looking for a car when we started noticing other companies comparing themselves.
She actually had just recently said "that company mentioning [Honda] actually makes me want to check out the Honda instead of [whatever company]"
About 30 minutes later, we both saw that commercial.
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New ones:
- FlapMin (http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=759586)
- GManage (http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=717690)
- sAdmin (http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=755731)
In other news, the creator of MOOCOW seems to have been flamed quite thoroughly for his/her trash on the first post. :P
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Well, looked over all the admin mods, and only found one feature that I'd really like ULX to utilize. That is the scoreboard style playlist shown here:
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj197/Exchequer/sadpic1.jpg)
I think that's what we should work towards. Personally I think it looks cleaner, and offers a great deal of functionality. I know that our current release is function, but I think it's time for a makeover.
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/me groans and let's out a *Sigh* (http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=759114)
If Team Ulysses ever splits up and dies.. I pray no one ever publicly releases our code with 'fixes' or 'updates'
Credit or not... I just don't want to see regurgitated mods.
At least this time, so far, no one is claiming Citrus can do things 'first' that ULX could do long before Citrus was released.
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Next we've got Yet another citrus mod (http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=791605).
And then there's KISSAdmin (http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=797140), which is probably my favorite out of the ones listed on this thread so far. :)
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I just posted to the KISSAdmin forum... stoke a bit of ego perhaps.
Let's see where it goes. Megiddo, I too agree...so far the better of any out there.
Simplicity at it's finest.
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Next is ASAmod: http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=870201
It seems like every mod claims to be the most modular of the bunch, doesn't it?
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It seems like every mod claims to be the most modular of the bunch, doesn't it?
This is true lol. I do like some of the ideas he's trying to incorporate though. I've always been interested in a more function scoreboard. His looks aweful, don't get me wrong, but I do like some of his ideas. Especially the chat log and the rules. Would be nice to through an motd on there too. Another thing I'm really fond of is the transparency. Idk why, but that's always appealing to me, kinda like windows 7 :). Also there's the cleanup button right there where you can clearly see the number of props and the cleanup button at the same time. I thinks that's about it. Everything else there is just tacky lol.
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New one is Exsto (Exsto is Latin for "stand out, project, be conspicuous, be visible."), another author who hopes to make his admin mod look passable by taking shots at the competition: http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=937056
Particularly choice quotes:
- Protected loading and calling of plugin functions. Ever had a moment where you call !kick in ULX, and it errors out and breaks the chat hook? Yeah, this isn't possible in Exsto, its protected.
- There is atleast two commits each day, for bug fixes and enhancements. The last ULX update was a long, long time ago.
- Hot plugging ranks system. Every change to a rank is live and you do not need to restart the server. (with the claim that "no other admin mod does this!")
EDIT: Surprise, surprise, he took code from ULX: http://code.google.com/p/exsto/source/browse/trunk/lua/exsto/plugins/goto.lua
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We need to update our tracking bot. While attempting to come out with a nice "all but one or two features you list are not only in your mod so you need to correct your list" list, I found that http://cia.vc/stats/project/Ulysses isn't up to date.
Unless there's another good way to track I'm not aware of
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That got left behind when we separated into different repositories... I tried to delete it but the site wouldn't let me. I've just marked the name appropriately, maybe some mod will come along and be nice enough to remove it. The best way to track it is using an SVN client hooked to the repository.
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using an SVN client hooked to the repository.
Yes, but I can't point the public to do that without making them go through many steps just to get to the log.
CIA allowed me to do that.
Oh well.
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Yes, but I can't point the public to do that without making them go through many steps just to get to the log.
CIA allowed me to do that.
Oh well.
All you need is the SVN URLs do set those up, if you want to do that. :)
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Evolve has been released: http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=22040977
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We need to try to get our release out soon.
And just for the heck of it, we need to name this release with an E in it's revision name. :)
I vote "Erus" - Latin for master, owner, lord
Fit the summer of "E"s
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http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=22105573&postcount=81
HAHAHAHAHA!
What are we doing tomorrow night/next month/this year Brain?
Same thing we do every night/month/year Pinky; try to take over the world.
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lol-- A lot of his posts are basically putting down ULX:
"ULX has always been mediocre at best, I don't understand why everyone wets their pants over it :sigh:"
"I cry a little bit inside whenever I join a server and see the ULX spam, its like a rainbow threw up on the chatbox and rubbed it around in a pool of "!@#$%^&*()" keys."
The funniest part is he hasn't realized the the "ULX-era" has only just begun!!
(Man, I'm probably gonna read this in the morning and realize that it sounded much more epic at 3 AM.. ;D)
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I've been watching the Exsto thread. (Keep friends close, competition closer, blah blah).
Forgot Ulysses had so many haters. One even used an expletive towards it. Little explanation as to why.
One thing I read in the thread that I don't like and therefore would never use it.
Exsto stores it's ranks/groups/users in sv.db.
I'm sorry, but my sv.db gets filled enough...if I want to edit manually, sv.db doesn't allow an easy interface to do that.
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Tell the truth, I almost went batty enough to make my own admin mod until update 82 came along and fixed up ULX. Because not a single admin mod worked. Not Exsto, not ASS (but that's been broken for a while), not ULX, nothin'. I assumed it was because of the datapack, so I would be as serverside as I could with it.
But before I could really get started, update 82 came out, which meant ULX (<3) worked.
I wouldn't have released it anyway. Chances are I would have stolen the entire MOTD code from you guys anyway.
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Prefan dislikes me 1) wanting him to correct his original post and 2) correcting other users who have no clue what other admin mods can do.
Whether they be ULX or not, doesn't matter, his release post is still incorrect, and other users are stating they'll use the first admin mod that has <X> features (comparing Evolve and Exsto)
I simply stated that another mod had X any Y features for over a year now. The mod didn't begin with E.
http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=22451147&postcount=612
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I agree with you, JamminR. I'm tempted to tell him that if he doesn't want to be corrected, he should do his research first... And now it's worse since he admits he's wrong but keeps the false information up anyways. If that's what it takes for him to get users, maybe heshould reconsider his admin mod.
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X| That thread makes me want to hurt innocent children :'(
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I should start drinking.
http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=22454357#post22454357
In his response where he states his unique features and asks if that's what's making us upset, he ignores the first 2-3 pages of the discussion after his release in which we tell him that all but two are not original.
And Hatred, I'm not being whiny...I find the Exsto's author refusal to acknowledge that he is wrong extremely frustrating.
Our team here has swallowed our pride before and admitted when we did something wrong.
Not only that, we wouldn't advertise our features mentioning another mod in a negative light, especially if they were wrongly stated.
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After about 6 or 7 posts by a user in the Exsto thread requesting features ULX/ULib has had for over 2 years, I sent the following.
User responded.
Basically, it's what we've always known that Stickly Man is working to correct...90% of the Gmod admin community is lazy and wants GUI.
I'm curious, and would like constructive feedback;
It seems most of the requests you're making of Exsto over the past two weeks are features that have been in ULX SVN for over a year, some more (2+).
What is it that Exsto has, or ULX doesn't, that help you decide to continue using Exsto?
I ask for educational purposes.
Thanks,
JamminR
Well, I never really liked ULX because of all the typing.
Every time I want to noclip in ULX I need to write !noclip. In more modern administration systems the only thing I need to do is press "v". It's very annoying that everybody can see how I turn on noclip for myself in the chat.
The restrictions and the advanced functions in ULX are hidden in chat and console commands. You could maybe create a smooth menu for restricting different user groups differently instead of using commands.
As you might are aware of Exsto has got an in-game rank creation. This is not something I need as I'm quite good at lua, but it's still a nice function.
Well, I guess ULX is nice too, but if Prefan manage to do as I say to him, his administration system will take the price. Evolve is not too bad either.
I hope my advices will satisfy you :smile:
/Gurrazor
I wrote him back and said they do and thanks.
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That also tells me that users just don't know how to use the console... or binds... or anything else in ULX...
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SAS (http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=983477), which actually have some pretty good, new ideas. The new bits I see are the focus on cross-server integration and the way permissions are hierarchical (granting access to 'weapons' implicitly grants access to 'weapons.crowbar').